WEBVTT 00:09.090 --> 00:15.550 We will make a quick change and I would like to ask the host for 00:15.550 --> 00:21.770 understanding, if I take the lady on stage, not because she is a lady, 00:22.430 --> 00:27.190 but because she presents another technical university here and offers 00:27.190 --> 00:30.590 a statement, I think she wanted to make a statement a little bit and 00:30.590 --> 00:35.930 after that we will try to get some points from the whole audience and 00:35.930 --> 00:37.130 discuss them. 00:39.130 --> 00:47.650 Yes, from my side too, I come from the RWTH Aachen, I am head of the 00:47.650 --> 00:51.970 Center for Learning and Science Management and at the same time co 00:51.970 --> 00:54.170 -director of the Department of Computer Science and Machine 00:54.170 --> 00:54.510 Engineering. 00:54.510 --> 00:58.330 It is a bit of an unusual combination, as you probably think, we have 00:58.330 --> 00:58.970 to do with each other. 01:00.030 --> 01:05.110 This is a uniqueness in Aachen, that the former RWTH Center for 01:05.110 --> 01:09.810 Learning and Science Management was attached to a lecture hall of the 01:09.810 --> 01:13.770 Faculty of Engineering and said, since we are a technical university, 01:14.270 --> 01:19.130 somewhere in the Faculty of Engineering and Machine Engineering the 01:19.130 --> 01:21.590 Center for Learning and Science Management should be attached. 01:21.590 --> 01:26.730 My statement should not be so general, because I think we are already 01:26.730 --> 01:30.230 far ahead in time, we have already heard so many concepts from 01:30.230 --> 01:33.950 technical universities that do this, we also have an integrated 01:33.950 --> 01:39.290 concept, at least we claim that, Ms. Jorczyk, I would like to discuss 01:39.290 --> 01:40.290 with you whether you think so too. 01:41.570 --> 01:48.030 We also tried and unfortunately could not be among the first, maybe 01:48.030 --> 01:53.830 just picked out a few things, where I say, maybe this is still 01:53.830 --> 01:57.590 exciting for you, how we do it in Aachen, on the one hand. 01:58.090 --> 02:02.710 And on the other hand, I always try to differentiate a bit, what is my 02:02.710 --> 02:06.410 opinion or my Center for Learning and Science Management and what is 02:06.410 --> 02:09.570 actually RWTH's goal and strategy. 02:10.090 --> 02:12.950 Maybe I'll start with RWTH's goal and strategy. 02:13.830 --> 02:18.090 We also do not rely on the pure connection of key qualifications, we 02:18.090 --> 02:20.530 do that too, but it is only one part of many. 02:21.150 --> 02:27.030 But maybe very briefly the note, we have had an offer for 2-3 years, 02:27.550 --> 02:31.390 what is called FIT for the university, and this is aimed at both 02:31.390 --> 02:34.190 students, a scientific faculty and also teachers. 02:35.010 --> 02:38.470 And that is divided into FIT for study, there you do everything you 02:38.470 --> 02:42.670 learn, work behavior, moderation, team training and things like that. 02:43.230 --> 02:47.170 Then we have a whole curriculum for the teachers, what they can do, 02:47.650 --> 02:48.710 where they can choose from one or the other. 02:50.910 --> 02:56.390 And we also have something very special for research, so how do I 02:56.390 --> 02:58.010 submit research applications and things like that. 02:58.790 --> 03:02.490 And what we have also added relatively new is the FIT for the 03:02.490 --> 03:02.850 leadership. 03:02.850 --> 03:06.350 And that already starts with scientific employees, who also instruct 03:06.350 --> 03:06.930 students. 03:08.410 --> 03:15.170 And that is also an offer that is very well perceived and where there 03:15.170 --> 03:16.010 is actually a high demand. 03:16.470 --> 03:19.590 So how do I lead, how do I feel, how do I make decisions and things 03:19.590 --> 03:19.690 like that. 03:20.630 --> 03:25.990 What is perhaps unique about this concept is that we have a so-called 03:25.990 --> 03:32.710 voucher concept, that is, every scientific employee who gets a new job 03:32.710 --> 03:38.530 with us, he gets a voucher from us or from the rectorate to do the 03:38.530 --> 03:40.830 basic seminar FIT for teaching with us. 03:42.570 --> 03:47.710 That's a bit of a thing between duty and faculty. 03:48.630 --> 03:56.210 And if these vouchers are not accepted, then we publish it. 03:56.370 --> 03:57.930 So then we do it transparently. 03:59.010 --> 04:03.670 In other words, if the XY department gets bad reviews, which we get in 04:03.670 --> 04:07.970 the quality evaluation of the students, and at the same time his 04:07.970 --> 04:13.010 employee, the responsible director or professor, does not send his 04:13.010 --> 04:17.710 employees to these seminars, then he can read online that he has not 04:17.710 --> 04:18.130 sent anyone. 04:18.130 --> 04:22.910 And we also write to them and ask if there is a qualitative reason 04:22.910 --> 04:26.450 that is up to us, why these employees are not sent to us. 04:26.890 --> 04:31.050 And the colleagues can also ask, how is that actually, you have such 04:31.050 --> 04:37.150 bad ratings in the criticism, why don't you even send your people to 04:37.150 --> 04:38.390 this further training? 04:38.830 --> 04:44.590 So basically it's a bit of a thing between duty and, how should I put 04:44.590 --> 04:46.030 it, social pressure. 04:46.030 --> 04:48.350 We would call it that. 04:48.990 --> 04:52.530 This has been perceived very well since then, especially, and I would 04:52.530 --> 04:55.010 like to mention the second thing, which has helped us a lot. 04:55.870 --> 04:57.890 First, the Bologna process. 04:58.830 --> 05:01.710 So what is building up for us in the teaching and also in the 05:01.710 --> 05:06.270 coordination of the teaching events among each other and also in the 05:06.270 --> 05:10.850 integration of key qualification acquisition or everything that we do 05:10.850 --> 05:14.490 here with orientation knowledge and methodical competence into the 05:14.490 --> 05:19.790 teaching, there has actually been a huge pressure on us. 05:19.930 --> 05:21.150 So there has been a boost. 05:21.830 --> 05:24.270 We have talked a lot and for a long time about the question of 05:24.270 --> 05:24.770 credits. 05:25.590 --> 05:26.650 We have discussed this for a long time. 05:28.670 --> 05:32.030 Our university has a high tradition of already inviting student 05:32.030 --> 05:33.290 employees to projects. 05:34.910 --> 05:38.950 As you all know, we also have a very large third party volume. 05:39.370 --> 05:44.450 We can't do our assignments in project work and research without the 05:44.450 --> 05:44.830 students. 05:45.550 --> 05:49.270 They work as, I would say, especially if they are in the main studies, 05:49.670 --> 05:54.590 as fully accountable and accountable employees in projects. 05:55.150 --> 06:00.310 And we have considered that if these projects, if they work for us, i 06:00.310 --> 06:00.350 .e. 06:00.390 --> 06:03.890 also work against money, are accompanied and the reflections are 06:03.890 --> 06:06.210 completed, then credits are also awarded for that. 06:06.890 --> 06:08.090 So that is also in the discussion. 06:08.430 --> 06:13.410 We went away from a series of credits for these, in the past they were 06:13.410 --> 06:16.850 not even subject areas, as we have heard today, but exactly for such 06:16.850 --> 06:17.210 things. 06:18.110 --> 06:25.390 We also grant or also make the possibility that you do a part-time 06:25.390 --> 06:25.850 study in your studies. 06:25.850 --> 06:31.150 What is very, very important for the whole question of how do we 06:31.150 --> 06:36.410 actually maintain this high quality, I claim that, although many say 06:36.410 --> 06:38.890 that we are faster in the application than in education at RWTH 06:38.890 --> 06:42.590 Aachen, but I simply claim that the practical orientation is very 06:42.590 --> 06:46.970 strong with us, because the student employees all work at 70 to 80 06:46.970 --> 06:51.990 percent, especially in engineering studies, that is, work close to the 06:51.990 --> 06:51.990 subject. 06:51.990 --> 06:57.430 And that is, as we have heard today, actually the best qualification 06:57.430 --> 06:58.030 you can give. 06:58.510 --> 07:02.770 As soon as you have mentioned that in the VJC, with such things that 07:02.770 --> 07:07.210 you then say in the project, how does the project management actually 07:07.210 --> 07:08.470 work, i.e. 07:08.510 --> 07:12.990 how are the reflection inputs, how did you do that, how could you do 07:12.990 --> 07:17.710 it even better, namely on the subject-specific problem, then I believe 07:17.710 --> 07:21.550 that we can go a long way there and that we can of course also link to 07:21.550 --> 07:22.850 good old traditions in Aachen. 07:24.110 --> 07:29.370 So maybe that's where I see a lot of potential. 07:29.690 --> 07:34.510 And the third is, I believe that in high school entrepreneurship has 07:34.510 --> 07:34.750 to come first. 07:35.330 --> 07:37.930 And that doesn't always work everywhere at the moment. 07:38.430 --> 07:41.750 We have real small kingdoms in the subject areas, and that is now a 07:41.750 --> 07:45.310 little less the high school opinion than my personal one. 07:45.330 --> 07:50.210 We have kingdoms, and that depends very much on the individual person 07:50.210 --> 07:54.850 how such concepts are actually implemented. 07:55.810 --> 08:00.030 And that's why I think that on the subject of key qualifications, 08:00.310 --> 08:03.190 personnel and organizational development in high schools and knowledge 08:03.190 --> 08:05.030 management in high schools is extremely important. 08:05.690 --> 08:10.190 So there is something about us, transdisciplinary forums, where 08:10.190 --> 08:12.710 interdisciplinary cooperation is developed. 08:13.030 --> 08:15.830 And that's where the second point comes in, when we came to this 08:15.830 --> 08:20.390 school, that is, one was pressure, Bologna processes, the second is 08:20.390 --> 08:23.310 competition, these are the excellence clusters and the excellence 08:23.310 --> 08:23.850 initiatives. 08:24.930 --> 08:30.730 I would not have thought it possible to see certain large companies in 08:30.730 --> 08:35.510 our high schools achieve such good results at the same table, to see 08:35.510 --> 08:41.590 how it actually happened, because there is a lot of money, or even if 08:41.590 --> 08:46.490 it's not that much money, it's not as much money for us as a carrot. 08:46.930 --> 08:50.770 And I think that's why we shouldn't scold the excellence clusters so 08:50.770 --> 08:54.630 much, but rather see that this potential is also used for it. 08:54.770 --> 08:58.850 And that actually happened to us, even if we were only in fourth 08:58.850 --> 08:58.850 place. 09:00.470 --> 09:01.970 I think that's enough for now. 09:02.930 --> 09:03.210 Thank you very much. 09:04.310 --> 09:06.190 We could discuss a lot about it. 09:06.270 --> 09:10.330 I would like to let you talk first, and then afterwards, with Mr. 09:10.390 --> 09:12.970 Gritzmann, to get a few points out of it. 09:13.490 --> 09:20.170 But today we have addressed and asked how it looks, or who we know, 09:20.550 --> 09:23.430 how strategies work together with the economy. 09:24.210 --> 09:29.390 Universities, the economy, we know there are many examples, the 09:29.390 --> 09:31.730 internships, everything that is done best. 09:32.870 --> 09:34.270 But how is it? 09:34.330 --> 09:36.330 I would like to ask that, because it has certainly come in critical 09:36.330 --> 09:37.470 feedback. 09:39.470 --> 09:45.310 How is the consciousness, or how is the transparency, or what is 09:45.310 --> 09:49.810 actually needed, in leadership, or on other levels. 09:50.450 --> 09:59.650 So, if, I ask, if it is set up, is it so, that expertise, of course, 09:59.970 --> 10:02.110 we always say, is required. 10:02.510 --> 10:04.050 I hear the feedback first. 10:04.610 --> 10:08.210 No, the companies say, there has to be even more expertise. 10:08.750 --> 10:12.570 And that is why the discussion here is not the right one. 10:12.770 --> 10:18.890 I just ask, is this a perception, which is only partial in some 10:18.890 --> 10:23.850 segments in the university, or are we wrong with this key 10:23.850 --> 10:25.690 qualification debate? 10:26.810 --> 10:29.350 How important are key qualifications for singing? 10:33.960 --> 10:40.980 First of all, I am on qualifications It is very difficult for me, of 10:40.980 --> 10:46.840 course, to look into the universities and to see what skills they have 10:46.840 --> 10:50.220 to prepare young people for the professional life. 10:51.740 --> 10:55.040 I can only give a mirror. 10:56.940 --> 11:00.700 How do we see it when young people come to us? 11:03.220 --> 11:09.900 We distinguish in our internal assessment three things. 11:11.100 --> 11:11.860 And that we draw consequences. 11:15.410 --> 11:19.430 We also develop them. 11:19.850 --> 11:21.470 We distinguish management competences. 11:23.190 --> 11:26.650 And we call basic competences. 11:26.650 --> 11:33.350 This is what here is the object of the discussion. 11:34.130 --> 11:39.930 And when I came here, I was in the mission room today, when I came 11:39.930 --> 11:43.890 here, I thought, what are you doing now? 11:44.570 --> 11:46.750 Is it a personal opinion to get rid of here? 11:47.250 --> 11:48.270 I came up with the following. 11:49.030 --> 11:53.930 I got myself connected with six young people in our company. 11:54.710 --> 12:00.050 I drove a car, and asked them, they have been in the company for about 12:00.050 --> 12:10.030 three years, I asked them, when you came to us, what did you miss in 12:10.030 --> 12:10.870 the work world? 12:12.930 --> 12:16.910 And unison, they were engineers in the first place, but also business 12:16.910 --> 12:21.510 people in the sales area, they answered me in the following way. 12:23.090 --> 12:24.190 We imagined 12:27.230 --> 12:32.230 like, professional idiots are said a bit too much, but in the 12:32.230 --> 12:38.830 direction of our expertise at the university, we had a maximum of 80%, 12:39.830 --> 12:43.410 but we could not bet on it, a maximum of 20%. 12:43.410 --> 12:50.470 Then we totally overestimated ourselves, the young people, out of 12:50.470 --> 12:50.950 ignorance. 12:50.950 --> 12:56.490 Out of ignorance about what is it about, what is it about. 12:57.350 --> 13:05.910 We completely neglected the importance of the cooperation with older, 13:06.250 --> 13:08.730 experienced people. 13:10.730 --> 13:12.710 I think you know what I mean. 13:13.090 --> 13:19.090 The acceptance of people who have been in practice for a long time, 13:20.630 --> 13:26.170 and if they want, they let every young person run up to them, they 13:26.170 --> 13:31.370 were not prepared for that at all. 13:33.070 --> 13:34.450 That is not ... 13:34.450 --> 13:36.090 That is reality. 13:36.950 --> 13:42.530 Depending on how the young person adapts, if he prepares himself for 13:42.530 --> 13:48.410 this situation, as he can expect it, nothing happens. 13:49.150 --> 13:54.510 But if he enters the practice with an attitude, I have learned 13:54.510 --> 14:00.510 everything now, I know how to do it, I'll show you how to do it, then 14:00.510 --> 14:04.950 they said, it takes one, two, three months, then they are out of it, 14:05.310 --> 14:06.290 than if they did it a step ahead. 14:08.250 --> 14:14.130 Then, what was also told to me, this compulsion, I personally agree 14:14.130 --> 14:17.130 with that, this compulsion to be simple. 14:18.770 --> 14:27.110 We are all raised in universities to be complex, to think complicated, 14:28.510 --> 14:31.050 to articulate and to share. 14:31.910 --> 14:34.290 But of course this does not work at all in the practical practice. 14:35.270 --> 14:36.010 You have to be simple. 14:37.210 --> 14:43.490 So you have to inhale things on a level that you can also communicate. 14:44.030 --> 14:47.610 The next point is the communication technique. 14:47.850 --> 14:49.430 How do I sell myself? 14:50.250 --> 14:55.890 Starting with behavior, we have already talked about that, up to very 14:55.890 --> 14:57.390 simple presentation techniques. 14:57.790 --> 15:06.150 All of this, I can underline, is at least not available as you need it 15:06.150 --> 15:09.510 to have a successful start in the professional practice. 15:10.450 --> 15:14.730 And the last thing, which is of course particularly important for me 15:14.730 --> 15:19.850 right now, you have already noticed, I work in an international 15:19.850 --> 15:29.830 corporation, world leader Michelin, so very intercultural, to prepare 15:31.030 --> 15:33.090 for different cultures. 15:34.150 --> 15:35.250 I'll give you another keyword. 15:35.250 --> 15:40.370 A Frenchman who acts completely different than a German. 15:41.830 --> 15:46.510 And if you want to work with the footsteps of a German with a 15:46.510 --> 15:53.170 Frenchman, then it takes a few days and you have the greatest power 15:53.170 --> 15:54.010 that you can imagine. 15:54.730 --> 16:01.350 So making yourself aware that there is not only one way around, but 16:01.350 --> 16:05.090 many different cultural areas. 16:05.810 --> 16:07.590 That was also mentioned to me. 16:07.790 --> 16:12.970 I can only underline all of the points I mentioned and thus also the 16:12.970 --> 16:13.250 topic. 16:15.050 --> 16:20.130 We cannot prepare our young people besides the professional knowledge, 16:20.310 --> 16:23.770 which is of course extremely important, besides the professional 16:23.770 --> 16:30.370 knowledge, for these points, which are essential for a successful 16:30.370 --> 16:31.210 start in life. 16:33.010 --> 16:34.730 Maybe up to this point. 16:37.170 --> 16:38.070 Thank you very much. 16:38.610 --> 16:45.150 This self-assessment phenomenon has been clearly established by Martin 16:45.150 --> 16:45.170 this morning. 16:45.650 --> 16:48.370 By the way, I also had it when I was young. 16:49.910 --> 16:50.630 Okay. 16:51.910 --> 16:58.830 Maybe before I invite Mr. Bettfeld I would like to briefly stay with 16:58.830 --> 17:02.390 you regarding the topic of internationalization. 17:03.650 --> 17:10.610 Because in our concept we have these enabling skills. 17:10.790 --> 17:15.850 You could say training and interoperable communication is also an 17:15.850 --> 17:16.670 enabling skill. 17:16.750 --> 17:25.210 You can not participate successfully in the job if you do not know 17:25.210 --> 17:29.690 that the Frenchman does not only tick, but also if you learn how to 17:29.690 --> 17:30.650 deal with him. 17:31.590 --> 17:34.090 We also have orientation knowledge as our topic. 17:38.130 --> 17:38.850 Orientation knowledge. 17:39.370 --> 17:45.490 Maybe not only this person-related and communication-related how do I 17:45.490 --> 17:50.550 deal with the Frenchman, but it is very useful to know that in France 17:50.550 --> 17:56.810 or in other European countries what are the similarities or how is the 17:56.810 --> 18:02.610 market or how is the unemployment or is the overpopulation the same? 18:03.150 --> 18:05.050 How do you see this behind us? 18:05.790 --> 18:10.030 Is this also important for a large world population? 18:15.710 --> 18:17.390 I would like to answer in this way. 18:18.570 --> 18:25.970 The young people who come to us have difficulties to put what they see 18:25.970 --> 18:27.350 at the moment in a larger context. 18:29.390 --> 18:35.670 And to put it in a larger context also means to know the basics about 18:35.670 --> 18:40.870 the country I want to work with for example. 18:43.270 --> 18:48.190 I have to know that otherwise I can not Very simple things. 18:49.650 --> 18:51.050 How big is the country? 18:51.390 --> 18:52.850 How many people live there? 18:53.410 --> 18:55.610 How is the prosperity distributed? 18:56.610 --> 18:58.950 And all that I think is very important to 19:07.230 --> 19:07.390 deal with. 19:09.870 --> 19:14.350 It will be more useful than the 80% of the knowledge that you can not 19:14.350 --> 19:14.730 use. 19:14.850 --> 19:16.730 The problem is that you do not know where to start. 19:20.180 --> 19:21.540 Thank you. 19:21.880 --> 19:23.120 I think it is clear. 19:23.340 --> 19:24.860 It's not about how to convey it all. 19:25.600 --> 19:29.300 But the competence should be communicated that you know that you 19:29.300 --> 19:30.020 should know. 19:30.260 --> 19:36.100 And that's why in certain situations you take care that you know it. 19:36.760 --> 19:42.700 I would like to go on and ask Mr. Bechtold. 19:44.060 --> 19:48.380 As an entrepreneur but also as IHK president. 19:49.920 --> 19:56.560 As you have also in your speech this morning the importance that you 19:56.560 --> 20:01.840 start in the age of childhood and also in education. 20:02.060 --> 20:03.520 I know that this is one of your things. 20:03.820 --> 20:06.880 I also know that this is done in the academic department. 20:08.520 --> 20:14.940 May I ask what you think that the universities should have done in 20:14.940 --> 20:15.420 advance? 20:17.180 --> 20:23.660 Some information provided I want to say in advance. 20:24.720 --> 20:31.080 International studies prove that in successful work only 50% 20:31.080 --> 20:33.020 competence are necessary. 20:33.360 --> 20:37.000 This does not mean that this person has to learn only 50%. 20:40.780 --> 20:45.060 The basic education is a good technical education. 20:45.500 --> 20:46.960 We do not have to discuss this here. 20:47.220 --> 20:47.820 This is a prerequisite. 20:48.980 --> 20:54.320 If this is the case then 50% of the success of these key 20:54.320 --> 20:58.200 qualifications which are today's topic are dependent. 20:58.480 --> 21:01.460 Some things have been worked out. 21:01.680 --> 21:02.600 Work methodology. 21:03.000 --> 21:04.220 Work systematics. 21:04.380 --> 21:05.240 Learning methodology. 21:06.200 --> 21:07.800 To immerse oneself in tasks. 21:09.360 --> 21:13.520 You do not get a school task which is not a mathematical task. 21:13.820 --> 21:16.320 You get problems which you have to solve. 21:16.660 --> 21:21.080 To find ways to solve problems is one of the most important things 21:21.080 --> 21:22.440 that someone has to bring along. 21:23.200 --> 21:24.620 Own initiative. 21:24.920 --> 21:25.440 Independence. 21:27.120 --> 21:28.440 Always learn. 21:28.880 --> 21:29.440 Take decisions. 21:30.460 --> 21:31.380 To have courage. 21:31.740 --> 21:33.060 To engage in something. 21:33.080 --> 21:34.640 To do something with conviction. 21:35.740 --> 21:36.580 Endurance. 21:36.580 --> 21:36.620 Endurance. 21:39.740 --> 21:40.780 Expression ability. 21:41.040 --> 21:42.240 Communication ability. 21:42.380 --> 21:43.440 How can I express myself? 21:43.580 --> 21:45.520 How can I communicate with someone? 21:45.580 --> 21:46.660 How can I present myself? 21:47.920 --> 21:50.280 Cooperation ability was one of the topics. 21:50.840 --> 21:52.220 Respect and opinion. 21:55.000 --> 21:58.220 How do I deal with someone who is already in the company? 21:59.260 --> 22:00.620 This is a question of feeling. 22:00.960 --> 22:01.380 How to get along with the person. 22:02.200 --> 22:02.820 Not knowledge. 22:02.820 --> 22:04.940 Contact behavior. 22:05.820 --> 22:06.940 Support others. 22:07.040 --> 22:08.200 How do I deal with weaker people? 22:08.660 --> 22:09.660 I am a team. 22:10.120 --> 22:13.760 I have to take the others with me in what I know. 22:13.840 --> 22:16.540 I have to let them participate in my knowledge. 22:17.520 --> 22:18.890 Problem-solving skills. 22:19.800 --> 22:21.080 Solving skills. 22:21.260 --> 22:22.380 Solution-orientation. 22:23.060 --> 22:24.460 And value the experience so far. 22:24.720 --> 22:25.420 Creativity. 22:26.440 --> 22:27.160 Responsibility. 22:28.000 --> 22:30.000 Own responsibility and confidence. 22:30.000 --> 22:32.600 Imagine you have some young people. 22:33.780 --> 22:38.000 And you know from whom I can rely 100%. 22:38.620 --> 22:41.840 This is a attribute that helps you a lot. 22:43.020 --> 22:50.120 Because he or she showed that what they do is reliable. 22:50.600 --> 22:51.020 Reliable. 22:51.720 --> 22:57.740 But also social behavior were the points that were worked out from 22:57.740 --> 22:58.740 this study. 22:59.880 --> 23:02.520 Parts of which were discussed today. 23:03.340 --> 23:05.460 And what you also mentioned. 23:06.380 --> 23:15.620 What is also very easy to convey would be the simplest manual things. 23:15.780 --> 23:19.280 Now the economic engineer comes to the new company. 23:19.940 --> 23:21.440 Gets his desk shown. 23:21.600 --> 23:22.300 Sits down there. 23:23.100 --> 23:27.280 And an hour later a protocol about the conversation tomorrow. 23:27.500 --> 23:34.020 When I got my desk after the study, there was a huge dictation device. 23:34.220 --> 23:36.860 It had nothing more than this device. 23:38.100 --> 23:42.060 I neither knew what to do with it nor what to do with it. 23:42.060 --> 23:44.020 Nobody ever told me before. 23:45.500 --> 23:46.840 To create a protocol. 23:47.360 --> 23:48.140 These are basic things. 23:48.340 --> 23:50.380 Very banal things. 23:51.200 --> 23:52.480 Presentation techniques. 23:52.480 --> 23:54.000 How do I document something? 23:55.080 --> 23:59.300 It's no use that I know something if I can't sell it. 24:00.420 --> 24:03.140 I have to be able to convey my knowledge to someone. 24:03.840 --> 24:09.920 These are for me very important things that you can learn while 24:09.920 --> 24:10.460 studying. 24:12.280 --> 24:12.660 Handicrafts. 24:13.340 --> 24:16.400 What I actually learned to sell. 24:16.660 --> 24:19.900 I think we will come to this in the next round. 24:20.300 --> 24:26.160 As long as we take part in self-confidence. 24:27.640 --> 24:33.820 The human requirements are at least as important as the other things. 24:34.760 --> 24:36.560 Thank you. 24:37.640 --> 24:45.460 I think many of the things you mentioned are, especially protocol and 24:45.460 --> 24:48.340 such presentation techniques. 24:48.660 --> 24:52.020 These are actually things that we can do in the context of an 24:52.020 --> 24:56.200 integrative approach in the faculty. 24:57.280 --> 24:59.400 That would be a good suggestion. 24:59.580 --> 25:00.640 We do that sometimes. 25:01.340 --> 25:05.820 We let students protocol topics so that they can learn. 25:05.960 --> 25:11.800 For example, in Studium Generale Klassisch the students have to 25:20.000 --> 25:26.100 submit a protocol at the end as a part of their certification. 25:26.580 --> 25:28.640 I think we do that a lot in the faculty. 25:29.620 --> 25:34.080 That means that we have some space for other things. 25:34.600 --> 25:39.760 We get the right balance what the faculties and departments have to 25:39.760 --> 25:40.020 offer. 25:40.040 --> 25:47.500 Either in practice or with the economy or with the basic competences. 25:47.680 --> 25:48.440 What can we do? 25:48.820 --> 25:52.860 Partly through the faculties and presentation techniques. 25:53.300 --> 25:55.780 Partly as extra offers. 25:56.440 --> 25:59.760 So that we can think where are the other things that we also need 25:59.760 --> 26:02.820 experts who are not in the faculties. 26:03.340 --> 26:12.480 I would like to ask you about the young and successful development of 26:12.480 --> 26:13.720 Karlsruhe in the academy. 26:14.160 --> 26:20.040 You already have a lot of experience in a short time and can gather 26:20.040 --> 26:20.120 it. 26:20.900 --> 26:29.780 I would like to know how the students Can you tell us what kind of 26:29.780 --> 26:30.560 students you have? 26:30.560 --> 26:37.940 And if they are so young how is the communication between Karlsruhe 26:37.940 --> 26:38.980 and the economy? 26:42.880 --> 26:49.020 Maybe I can start with the question that is asked here as a matter of 26:49.020 --> 26:49.480 course. 26:51.440 --> 26:53.080 The faculty competences are there. 26:53.440 --> 26:58.180 If we have to add orientation knowledge, social skills and so on. 26:59.400 --> 27:01.780 Actually it is the other way around. 27:02.240 --> 27:06.640 Through the socialization in the family, kindergarten, school the 27:06.640 --> 27:10.580 social skills should be developed and the faculty competences should 27:10.580 --> 27:11.340 be developed in the schools. 27:12.820 --> 27:18.600 So if someone comes to you in the company and is outstanding not able 27:18.600 --> 27:24.460 to ask not able to inform which company is coming in order to know 27:24.460 --> 27:30.760 that in France some things are different it is not a deficit of the 27:30.760 --> 27:38.600 university education but a deficit in the socialization also in the 27:38.600 --> 27:39.260 time before. 27:39.780 --> 27:44.960 And of course a university can not teach the different generations for 27:44.960 --> 27:48.180 many years in the future of dictation devices. 27:49.420 --> 27:54.620 These are all things that the personality in the course of her 27:54.620 --> 27:56.860 personal socialization must have acquired. 27:57.840 --> 28:02.260 This is first of all an approach to modesty which is also realized in 28:02.260 --> 28:02.840 the KfW. 28:04.100 --> 28:10.280 We do not see ourselves as someone who rules the faculties and not 28:10.280 --> 28:18.400 even someone who wants to reduce the number of students the majority 28:18.400 --> 28:22.460 of the students are in the faculties. 28:23.320 --> 28:25.760 Of course, the engineers have projects. 28:26.060 --> 28:29.580 Of course, this depends on the working groups. 28:29.880 --> 28:33.360 Not everyone is equally connected with the economy. 28:33.360 --> 28:35.420 Many of us are very connected. 28:35.500 --> 28:37.140 These are projects with the industry. 28:37.680 --> 28:43.100 Then the young students are sometimes earlier in the companies. 28:43.120 --> 28:49.680 They learn the company culture but at their scientific object. 28:50.220 --> 28:52.060 And this is something that we think is very important. 28:52.620 --> 28:58.720 In the seminars, for example, presentation techniques are required and 28:58.720 --> 29:02.280 not the technical content. 29:02.540 --> 29:06.400 The technical content must be developed to have a basis for 29:06.400 --> 29:07.120 communication. 29:07.760 --> 29:12.540 And then the seminars are partly supported with events of the KfW. 29:12.980 --> 29:16.160 Partly supported by the tutors of the KfW. 29:16.840 --> 29:23.180 But the technicality is increased, the communication is improved. 29:23.180 --> 29:27.480 And this is the key to success. 29:27.580 --> 29:30.900 Our academy has existed since 2004. 29:31.100 --> 29:34.680 That we have no conflicts with the faculties, but accept the 29:34.680 --> 29:37.900 suggestions of the faculties and carry on. 29:38.200 --> 29:40.820 For example, suggestions to do tutorial studies. 29:42.020 --> 29:48.080 At many technical universities it is, as you said, reported from 29:48.080 --> 29:56.900 Aachen, Ms. Wiesenhardt, it is absolutely essential that you work in 29:56.900 --> 29:59.220 the field of teaching and in the field of projects without students, 29:59.600 --> 30:03.960 There are requests to do tutoring studies. 30:04.620 --> 30:12.200 The students come with their own suggestions. 30:12.540 --> 30:20.220 The faculties have partly, not all, but partly in their technical 30:20.220 --> 30:25.720 foundations built in, which are then taught in a way based on their 30:25.720 --> 30:29.560 technicality, which the faculties themselves cannot afford. 30:30.040 --> 30:31.680 We are there. 30:31.920 --> 30:32.700 And you know, 30:36.060 --> 30:38.640 we have several pillars. 30:38.800 --> 30:42.340 On the one hand, training for students, on the other hand, polar 30:42.340 --> 30:44.220 training, which is aimed at the teachers. 30:44.220 --> 30:48.500 Because there, of course, the communication deficit is also 30:48.500 --> 30:53.220 devastating, because it then translates into the students. 30:53.960 --> 31:00.700 And we have aspects of public work in the sense of events, science as 31:00.700 --> 31:03.440 an instrument of education for a wide environment. 31:03.960 --> 31:09.800 And all this together, together with the volunteerism, opens doors and 31:09.800 --> 31:15.480 ensures, and this has already been said, that about 1,200 students go 31:15.480 --> 31:16.360 to our events per semester. 31:16.660 --> 31:20.680 We have certificates that are life-long, which can be transmitted. 31:21.600 --> 31:26.640 But we are of the opinion that every student should have the right to 31:26.640 --> 31:30.660 choose his own event at least to a certain degree himself. 31:31.260 --> 31:32.920 And he should also choose his specialization. 31:33.740 --> 31:39.060 If a student thinks he doesn't need an event from the department, the 31:39.060 --> 31:41.940 market will already regulate that. 31:42.040 --> 31:47.560 If the industry then realizes that this higher education, which we 31:47.560 --> 31:53.140 offer, creates such added value, then it is completely clear that this 31:53.140 --> 31:54.080 will also continue in the future. 31:55.200 --> 31:59.800 Of course, with an institution that has a annual stage of less than 31:59.800 --> 32:03.960 300,000 euros, we have 20,000 students who provide every semester in 32:03.960 --> 32:05.400 many weeks and hours. 32:06.380 --> 32:12.000 But we can offer the faculties, if they recognize that these contents, 32:12.120 --> 32:18.180 which we specifically add to their own content, are important, that 32:18.180 --> 32:22.760 then the faculties get help from us for self-help, which then also has 32:22.760 --> 32:26.220 to lead to the fact that both the curriculum of the faculties, what 32:26.220 --> 32:29.560 has happened in the past, as well as in the financing of these 32:29.560 --> 32:32.140 activities, have been left to the faculties. 32:35.240 --> 32:36.040 Thank you very much. 32:36.180 --> 32:41.160 I think maybe just briefly about the explanation of the different 32:41.160 --> 32:43.480 structures, because I know that some of you would only come today 32:43.480 --> 32:43.880 afternoon. 32:45.080 --> 32:48.260 The problem is that, of course, at some universities, when we discuss 32:48.260 --> 32:52.320 these issues, there are different structures. 32:53.300 --> 32:59.540 At Innsbruck Lehre, at our university, we have KW, which is very good 33:00.320 --> 33:06.320 and builds up the improvement of the teaching in the didactics. 33:07.740 --> 33:11.180 I think we have two overlapping discussions here. 33:11.260 --> 33:17.260 On the one hand, this faculty, what they do, especially in the 33:17.260 --> 33:19.880 academy, is very similar to what we do at ZAK. 33:20.240 --> 33:27.380 We don't just integrate into the faculties in any way, of course. 33:29.560 --> 33:32.220 But at the same time, we have the other discussion, and that is 33:32.220 --> 33:36.500 Bologna, where we really have to introduce key qualifications 33:39.680 --> 33:40.880 into the curriculum. 33:41.640 --> 33:45.800 At our own university, as I said briefly this morning, we have a 33:45.800 --> 33:51.320 taskforce under the responsible director, with all institutions that 33:51.320 --> 33:58.680 have to do with teaching in any way, and of course together with the 33:58.680 --> 34:00.220 faculties, what that should look like. 34:00.860 --> 34:05.260 I think that's just the background here, so that the discussion can be 34:05.260 --> 34:05.560 followed. 34:07.500 --> 34:15.640 My question would be, to connect, one point was, and this is also very 34:15.640 --> 34:20.760 clear with Prof. Zimmerli, that in the end, further education at the 34:20.760 --> 34:24.060 university is not done, that would be the conclusion, if we think next 34:24.060 --> 34:29.240 to the website, of one of the questions that we discussed, whether, 34:29.360 --> 34:33.220 when you say facultative, that you still take the things that are 34:33.220 --> 34:40.320 offered there, in part, the further education area, so that you 34:40.320 --> 34:46.820 definitely can do these things with professional support, and that is 34:46.820 --> 34:50.780 also an area where the universities, as we have heard today, have 34:50.780 --> 34:52.100 clearly left it. 34:52.440 --> 34:53.780 I'll just ask Klaus Nebel. 34:55.060 --> 34:59.260 So there is a large in all large companies, including yours. 35:02.020 --> 35:03.800 How do you see the distribution there? 35:03.940 --> 35:06.560 What should the universities do more in the area of further education 35:06.560 --> 35:08.660 and what should be done further? 35:12.620 --> 35:14.220 I don't know exactly. 35:15.900 --> 35:18.580 I wanted to speak to your comment. 35:19.780 --> 35:26.660 You said this social competence, that would be a matter of the family. 35:27.140 --> 35:31.040 I don't know if that still works today. 35:32.040 --> 35:38.260 I want to tell you from practice, what we understand as basic 35:38.260 --> 35:38.820 competences. 35:39.320 --> 35:40.900 Let's put it this way. 35:40.960 --> 35:46.240 Then we assess the people, whether they are young or old, and take 35:46.240 --> 35:54.940 very elaborate further education measures. 35:55.340 --> 35:56.680 First, self-initiative. 35:57.340 --> 35:59.040 Second, adaptability. 36:00.080 --> 36:01.860 Third, innovation spirit. 36:01.860 --> 36:04.580 Fourth, communication skills. 36:05.380 --> 36:06.520 Fifth, cooperation. 36:07.160 --> 36:08.700 Sixth, competence development. 36:09.360 --> 36:10.600 Seventh, customer orientation. 36:11.300 --> 36:13.000 Eighth, efficient work. 36:13.540 --> 36:15.440 Ninth, entrepreneurial thinking. 36:15.940 --> 36:20.620 Every supervisor works once a year with each of his employees. 36:20.860 --> 36:29.100 He assesses deficits and then, depending on what is indicated, takes 36:29.100 --> 36:37.080 clear measures, together, of course, into the pipeline, which are then 36:37.080 --> 36:38.480 revised and implemented. 36:38.800 --> 36:44.640 Every year, once, because we have just found that enormous deficits 36:44.640 --> 36:49.860 are there, and B, a continuous adaptation and development to the 36:49.860 --> 36:50.840 changing society. 36:51.520 --> 36:54.200 So a never-ending challenge. 36:54.200 --> 36:56.900 And one more remark. 36:57.700 --> 37:01.420 Whether the university does it now, there is certainly no or. 37:02.260 --> 37:03.060 There is only so or. 37:03.940 --> 37:06.020 The family has to do something, of course. 37:06.840 --> 37:09.860 Something has to happen within the framework of education, and then, 37:09.900 --> 37:15.260 above all, the companies, which are strongly demanded, I have only 37:15.260 --> 37:18.180 mentioned that it must happen as well as possible. 37:20.700 --> 37:23.300 I wanted to get started on this topic. 37:24.900 --> 37:28.860 Then I would like to give you a definition of management competence, 37:29.760 --> 37:32.400 which I like best of all that I have ever heard. 37:33.980 --> 37:35.540 It is quite simple. 37:35.940 --> 37:37.220 That is to have the technology successful. 37:38.540 --> 37:41.700 And to have this technology successful, you can learn. 37:43.120 --> 37:45.160 You can really learn that. 37:45.460 --> 37:46.140 So far, so good. 37:48.900 --> 37:49.880 Thank you very much. 37:49.880 --> 37:55.960 As a sociologist, of course, I have to say to Mr. Gritzmann and also 37:55.960 --> 38:01.300 to Klaus Neb, that no matter where we want to train the competencies 38:01.300 --> 38:04.720 now, that we can't just rely on the family. 38:07.740 --> 38:12.640 And as a pragmatist, then of course I ask what to do. 38:12.880 --> 38:15.760 We are the right type, Mr. Rector, of the kindergarten. 38:16.700 --> 38:20.860 So first of all, you have considerations how to do that. 38:21.680 --> 38:24.160 I think we have to institutionalize some things. 38:25.740 --> 38:26.880 We have to analyze realistically. 38:28.040 --> 38:30.780 And it doesn't make sense to say the family does it and the family 38:30.780 --> 38:31.080 doesn't. 38:31.860 --> 38:34.160 So, Mr. Rector, you have a ... 38:36.580 --> 38:39.360 Yes, I would like to ask Professor Gritzmann again. 38:39.660 --> 38:44.980 It's not about who, where, what, what should it be and what, where, 38:44.980 --> 38:45.480 what has to be done. 38:46.680 --> 38:51.820 The question is for me what are key qualifications, what do people 38:51.820 --> 38:58.500 from technical universities have to bring into the office life, no 38:58.500 --> 39:02.220 matter who they are and when they get it and who has missed it. 39:03.120 --> 39:08.820 It is important, and that is for me 50% of the success, next to the 39:08.820 --> 39:10.740 specialist, are all the other things. 39:10.740 --> 39:14.880 And then it is not enough to say, they don't bring it, so they don't 39:14.880 --> 39:15.180 have it. 39:15.900 --> 39:22.000 Then the institutions that are still working on it have to rework. 39:22.080 --> 39:26.180 And I think it's really noteworthy, but also spontaneously, in our 39:26.180 --> 39:31.080 preliminary talk because I think it's important to give young people 39:31.080 --> 39:36.920 there a chance, the willingness, 20, 30 years ago, people didn't have 39:36.920 --> 39:38.640 to deal with these things. 39:38.940 --> 39:44.400 Because all these old-fashioned things with respect, when they appear, 39:44.400 --> 39:45.220 it was unimportant. 39:45.900 --> 39:49.460 68 was not an issue at all, not so adapted times. 39:49.880 --> 39:53.120 Meanwhile, a huge change has shown itself there. 39:53.280 --> 39:57.340 I also see very engaged people who willingly and eagerly take up such 39:57.340 --> 39:57.680 things. 39:58.600 --> 40:00.200 Now it's up to us to make the offer. 40:00.200 --> 40:03.040 What was available, we have to get now. 40:03.780 --> 40:11.380 Of course, for me, what is present in the deficits here today, starts 40:11.380 --> 40:11.920 in kindergarten. 40:13.400 --> 40:14.980 It starts in kindergarten. 40:15.300 --> 40:17.140 We always talk about education. 40:17.420 --> 40:20.560 At some point in kindergarten these things will be lived. 40:20.620 --> 40:21.820 That was our topic back then. 40:23.260 --> 40:27.580 To answer the question, I have a kindergarten in front of me, where 40:27.580 --> 40:29.600 not the mothers in the afternoon 40:33.080 --> 40:36.060 have to drive the children to the piano teacher and to the ballet 40:36.060 --> 40:39.120 teacher and so on, but where they are in the kindergarten in the 40:39.120 --> 40:42.940 afternoon, the teacher has to go once and the children are already 40:42.940 --> 40:43.160 there. 40:43.360 --> 40:48.020 There are different subjects for these things in the afternoon that we 40:48.020 --> 40:49.680 set up and that we can create. 40:50.000 --> 40:51.360 We try to do something like that. 40:52.460 --> 40:57.900 Back to the key qualifications that make people successful. 40:58.660 --> 41:03.220 If the teacher says it is only important to be successful, to learn 41:03.220 --> 41:09.400 techniques and to be successful, then besides the expertise it is also 41:09.400 --> 41:14.960 necessary to sell this expertise and to be able to bring it over. 41:15.480 --> 41:19.480 I said this morning, if this is not important, you can teach every 41:19.480 --> 41:22.200 single student to be successful. 41:22.200 --> 41:23.500 He has proven the qualifications. 41:25.640 --> 41:29.480 Now five applicants come to you in the room for an interview. 41:30.540 --> 41:33.440 You know after 10 seconds who you will not take for this task. 41:34.680 --> 41:37.260 After 10 seconds you know who you will not take. 41:38.300 --> 41:40.720 Others then get the chance in the conversation. 41:41.480 --> 41:44.880 There is self-confidence, one of the most important things in 41:44.880 --> 41:45.640 someone's appearance. 41:45.640 --> 41:50.180 It does not matter if someone is in the room or has just come in. 41:51.330 --> 41:56.520 Self-confidence also includes being self-confident in my performance. 41:57.260 --> 41:59.460 There are thousands of other things. 41:59.720 --> 42:00.820 It starts with the clothes. 42:01.500 --> 42:04.820 It starts with the way I dress. 42:06.120 --> 42:12.120 I would be happy that you are on the right path. 42:12.700 --> 42:14.040 We all know this. 42:14.040 --> 42:18.580 I see many young people who have two daughters in this age. 42:19.940 --> 42:22.260 More and more young people are ready. 42:22.540 --> 42:26.440 They know they need to educate themselves. 42:26.440 --> 42:33.520 My goal is that we realize that we have to do this. 42:33.760 --> 42:39.640 Then we have to realize that the universities are the last ones. 42:39.640 --> 42:44.460 I can only recommend that you look at the technical studies more and 42:44.460 --> 42:45.180 more closely. 42:45.500 --> 42:50.960 Do not be ashamed of all the topics that I have written about. 42:51.880 --> 42:57.720 There is no respect and disregard because it would be too negative. 42:58.340 --> 43:01.200 Ladies and gentlemen, this is also the case. 43:02.100 --> 43:05.280 If you go to dinner with someone, if someone is supposed to represent 43:05.280 --> 43:10.200 the company, then you say that you do not have to go to the children's 43:10.200 --> 43:11.960 university to teach the students. 43:14.300 --> 43:17.580 You just have to recognize that this is the international standard. 43:17.900 --> 43:21.260 If we can do it, then we do it. 43:22.260 --> 43:26.000 If we recognize what we have to do, then we have to do it. 43:29.740 --> 43:32.440 I would like to come back to Ms. Hiesenhans. 43:34.000 --> 43:38.780 How is the discussion on institutional life in Aachen? 43:40.140 --> 43:44.680 I think we have seen it in the academic world and certainly also with 43:44.680 --> 43:45.020 us. 43:45.700 --> 43:49.740 You can set up a faculty and that is recognized. 43:50.660 --> 43:56.740 But I think it is not always easy How is it in Aachen? 43:59.260 --> 44:00.420 Not in Aachen either. 44:01.640 --> 44:04.520 I just tried to say that. 44:04.520 --> 44:09.200 It has been changing among other things due to pressure or 44:09.200 --> 44:09.720 competition. 44:11.000 --> 44:15.520 But still, such discussions have to be held especially when we sit 44:15.520 --> 44:18.040 together during the day in a rather homogeneous group. 44:18.040 --> 44:22.520 I think we all have the opinion that it has to be like that. 44:22.860 --> 44:25.160 I also think that it has to be a single university. 44:25.660 --> 44:32.600 Maybe not the BWM things, but certain things like project management. 44:33.180 --> 44:41.900 But I think the main point is that we have heard that we are all big 44:41.900 --> 44:46.320 and that a design is not always taken into account. 44:47.020 --> 44:50.800 First of all, how expensive and time-consuming it is. 44:50.900 --> 44:52.600 I want to give two examples. 44:53.600 --> 44:56.960 We have decided to offer communication and organizational development 44:57.820 --> 45:01.300 for all mechanical engineers in Aachen. 45:01.300 --> 45:03.640 This is called communication and organizational development. 45:04.400 --> 45:07.920 It is something like orientation research for companies. 45:09.400 --> 45:12.140 We offer it for 1,400 people. 45:13.420 --> 45:14.340 1,400! 45:14.740 --> 45:17.240 We have offered it for 100 so far. 45:18.260 --> 45:27.040 I have had five scientists in the 20s and the necessary group work. 45:27.200 --> 45:29.820 We have heard such know-how. 45:30.140 --> 45:34.980 We have now rented the Euroclass. 45:35.680 --> 45:37.020 If you know Aachen, I don't know. 45:37.260 --> 45:46.060 I have invited all 30 plus 20 students to come to this lecture. 45:48.740 --> 45:50.280 50 people. 45:50.280 --> 45:52.300 1,400 people. 45:53.000 --> 45:57.400 We want to offer what the 100th lecture offered. 45:58.720 --> 46:03.220 Second, we have to force people to their luck. 46:03.880 --> 46:07.060 We have to force them to control their luck. 46:09.140 --> 46:13.240 We also have a group exercise. 46:13.620 --> 46:19.720 I have forced half of the students to work in diverse groups. 46:20.520 --> 46:24.440 I have determined the group composition from me. 46:27.380 --> 46:30.220 Engineers are a homogenous male culture. 46:31.460 --> 46:35.840 The women distribute the group among foreigners. 46:37.900 --> 46:40.720 There was a huge uproar in the university. 46:41.260 --> 46:44.500 How could I have forced them to work in homogenous groups? 46:44.920 --> 46:46.320 I did this. 46:46.980 --> 46:56.460 We found out that the young women achieved better results than in the 46:56.460 --> 46:57.160 previous groups. 46:57.720 --> 46:59.340 Because the groups were diverse. 47:01.460 --> 47:05.080 We have evaluated this in the presentation. 47:06.540 --> 47:08.000 But we had to force them. 47:08.440 --> 47:11.060 They would have found their homogenous group. 47:12.000 --> 47:14.540 A few women could only be in one homogenous group. 47:16.980 --> 47:19.560 I am a fighter. 47:20.080 --> 47:27.020 We have to force the university and the faculty and the students to 47:27.020 --> 47:27.560 their luck. 47:29.640 --> 47:36.720 I would like to emphasize that this is not based on free will. 47:37.380 --> 47:42.540 We need a clear business strategy for universities. 47:43.140 --> 47:44.860 We had Mr. from St. Gallen. 47:44.900 --> 47:45.880 I don't know if he is still here. 47:46.520 --> 47:48.920 I met him. 47:49.880 --> 47:52.580 They run their universities like a company. 47:52.760 --> 47:55.460 The head of the company has a lot to say. 47:58.380 --> 48:00.040 We are not there yet. 48:00.180 --> 48:01.920 But in my opinion we have to go a bit further. 48:01.920 --> 48:06.340 This is a personal statement from the point of view of the Institute 48:06.340 --> 48:07.240 for Learning and Knowledge. 48:07.800 --> 48:11.080 Thank you very much. 48:12.000 --> 48:13.940 I have to look at the direction. 48:14.660 --> 48:17.260 I know we have to make the number free. 48:18.420 --> 48:22.360 Is there anyone who can tell if we have 10 minutes left? 48:23.440 --> 48:26.000 I hear 5 minutes. 48:27.000 --> 48:33.840 I would like to use the 5 minutes to give you a chance to ask the most 48:33.840 --> 48:35.360 important questions. 48:37.740 --> 48:39.360 Do I have permission to speak? 48:40.120 --> 48:40.340 Yes. 48:40.620 --> 48:42.540 Do you have a question? 48:51.830 --> 48:57.970 I can only say let's talk bilaterally. 48:57.970 --> 49:01.110 I have a colleague who works with us and at the same time at the 49:01.110 --> 49:01.490 Decanat. 49:05.190 --> 49:14.430 We have come to the conclusion that first of all work requirements and 49:14.430 --> 49:15.930 credits have to be worked out. 49:17.970 --> 49:21.950 You can also interrupt so that you can move the study. 49:24.630 --> 49:26.970 There is a lot of thinking going on. 49:30.470 --> 49:33.570 I know from Dortmund that they can't do it themselves. 49:35.090 --> 49:38.210 We were very surprised that we managed to do it at the University of 49:38.210 --> 49:38.530 Aachen. 50:54.410 --> 50:56.730 I think it's not 51:03.860 --> 51:06.400 about moving something else. 51:07.280 --> 51:12.620 It's just about being the only one in this group who can do it. 51:14.800 --> 51:20.340 I think it's time to get things going. 51:20.960 --> 51:28.120 We have to make sure that the specialist plays a central role. 51:29.300 --> 51:36.020 We have to make sure that the other elements are not taught in 51:36.020 --> 51:36.580 kindergarten. 51:37.680 --> 51:41.860 The specialist doesn't have a place in the family, neither in primary 51:41.860 --> 51:43.260 school nor in high school. 51:43.820 --> 51:47.940 On the other hand, we're talking about key qualifications that can be 51:47.940 --> 51:49.680 seen in an overall context. 51:50.400 --> 51:53.560 If we don't act intellectually, 51:57.140 --> 51:59.500 then we can't tackle these things. 52:00.520 --> 52:06.920 As far as there's a huge difference between commitment on the one hand 52:06.920 --> 52:10.360 and compulsory obligation on the other. 52:10.920 --> 52:14.660 We've just reviewed the concept of an interdisciplinary university in 52:14.660 --> 52:22.600 the Bundesunternehmerländer Of course, the quality of education 52:22.600 --> 52:25.740 depends on the market value of the university and the market value of 52:25.740 --> 52:26.220 the graduates. 52:27.340 --> 52:31.100 There are market mechanisms that are still in progress. 52:31.240 --> 52:38.380 Likewise, as an entrepreneur, you would prefer to hire someone who 52:38.380 --> 52:40.880 chooses the right content out of a high degree of self-responsibility. 52:46.120 --> 52:51.020 Why do we have to act as if everyone would be prepared for the 52:51.020 --> 52:54.520 position of the chairman of the board of a global player? 52:54.780 --> 52:56.000 That's not the case. 52:56.260 --> 52:58.180 Not everyone is a top student. 52:58.820 --> 53:01.500 Not everyone is a top student. 53:01.500 --> 53:06.660 For me as an entrepreneur, it would be essential to see what a 53:06.660 --> 53:13.980 candidate for a job as a prerequisite of self-responsibility brings 53:13.980 --> 53:15.220 with him. 53:15.220 --> 53:19.140 For me, this also includes the acceptance of superiority. 53:19.780 --> 53:23.220 That's how I understand it and that's how I see it implemented here. 53:36.010 --> 53:37.690 The methods 53:43.540 --> 53:47.980 at the university are actually not limited to the regular curriculum. 53:48.700 --> 53:54.800 As a student, you hold lectures with PowerPoint or with Overhead or 53:54.800 --> 53:58.880 whatever you want and however that is used in the professional 53:58.880 --> 53:59.380 culture. 54:00.960 --> 54:05.400 You are socialized with these techniques. 54:05.920 --> 54:15.220 But that doesn't mean that you can't use them because you don't know 54:15.220 --> 54:15.220 them. 54:15.480 --> 54:20.940 You can learn the skills yourself and ask questions. 54:22.160 --> 54:29.300 When I got a dictation device, I either asked someone who could or got 54:29.300 --> 54:30.220 the instructions. 54:31.460 --> 54:33.380 I think that's what you can teach. 54:33.520 --> 54:35.680 But you can't teach a dictation device. 54:36.380 --> 54:39.160 First take a class and then PowerPoint. 54:39.160 --> 54:41.440 I'd like to say something about that. 54:41.640 --> 54:46.640 Of course, we're not talking about the dictation device from 30 years 54:46.640 --> 54:46.820 ago. 54:47.140 --> 54:53.800 We're talking about preparing for the first day when I come to the 54:53.800 --> 54:54.020 lecture. 54:55.680 --> 54:57.600 It was meant in a symphonic way. 54:58.020 --> 55:01.460 I think it's great that we're talking about whether it's compulsory or 55:01.460 --> 55:01.780 not. 55:01.960 --> 55:05.980 It would mean that we have to listen to each other. 55:06.600 --> 55:16.820 I'd like to add Ms. Issenhardt would say that you can't be flexible. 55:18.420 --> 55:22.260 I think we should be at least in parallel. 55:23.060 --> 55:26.300 This morning, I read about the way of life. 55:29.290 --> 55:31.640 We have to be brave enough to teach people. 55:31.640 --> 55:37.640 Here are our young managers who came to the company They got up 55:37.640 --> 55:39.380 quickly and achieved something. 55:40.360 --> 55:42.880 Today, I'm teaching these young people. 55:43.460 --> 55:47.560 They're eager to do exactly what they don't know. 55:47.680 --> 55:49.320 They don't know what to eat, what to drink. 55:50.360 --> 55:53.680 They have to invite people who know all this. 55:53.680 --> 55:56.240 There's no such thing in kindergartens. 55:57.040 --> 56:00.760 That's why I wish that we should be at least in parallel. 56:02.440 --> 56:07.100 I don't want it to be more important. 56:07.600 --> 56:09.920 I wish them to be at least in parallel. 56:10.740 --> 56:12.500 I want them to be in sync. 56:13.900 --> 56:20.040 I want them to do everything right. 56:21.180 --> 56:21.880 That's what I want. 56:21.880 --> 56:24.300 I'm sorry, I can't take any new questions. 56:24.620 --> 56:30.440 Just two or three thoughts. 56:31.380 --> 56:33.700 The fact is that these deficiencies are there. 56:35.500 --> 56:36.700 They're simply there. 56:38.160 --> 56:40.900 We have to take them away when we take the young people in. 56:48.530 --> 56:50.910 Companies are not human-building systems. 56:52.130 --> 56:56.250 They are highly complex social structures that depend on the well 56:56.250 --> 56:56.630 -being of the people. 56:58.010 --> 57:06.130 When I hear that universities are trying to organize what we're 57:06.130 --> 57:10.450 discussing here, I just want to point out that this is a company rule. 57:11.070 --> 57:14.560 We work in highly complex matrix organizations. 57:15.490 --> 57:16.210 Highly complex. 57:16.890 --> 57:19.670 This is a typical function that we would assign to a company. 57:19.670 --> 57:27.230 To have professionalism at one point that is available to others. 57:28.770 --> 57:33.630 Maybe I got that wrong, but that was my reflex to the discussion how 57:33.630 --> 57:38.430 do universities develop professionalism at one point and make it 57:38.430 --> 57:40.870 available to others in a matrix form. 57:46.300 --> 57:51.760 I think we should look at it from a technical point of view. 57:51.840 --> 57:55.760 I know that at our university and matrix organization a lot is 57:55.760 --> 57:56.400 discussed. 57:56.400 --> 57:59.680 I don't have an idea what is really being discussed. 58:00.960 --> 58:03.380 I'm sure that's not the case in Munich. 58:04.680 --> 58:12.020 But I don't think we should just go off track with a 58:17.960 --> 58:19.000 completely random discussion. 58:19.000 --> 58:31.420 I hope that despite the discussion we agreed a little that competence 58:31.420 --> 58:33.760 and knowledge should definitely be communicated. 58:35.280 --> 58:37.340 We haven't really clarified how and where a mesh relationship should 58:37.340 --> 58:37.920 be. 58:39.820 --> 58:42.760 But I think we started a discussion. 58:44.420 --> 58:50.720 I would like to point out that this was a work conference, not a 58:50.720 --> 58:52.000 result conference. 58:52.200 --> 58:56.040 It's very important to me that it shouldn't be misunderstood. 58:57.160 --> 59:01.080 It's a part of the project, the joint project of three universities. 59:02.040 --> 59:11.060 And we try to sort out what we learned today according to colors and 59:11.060 --> 59:12.860 to see what comes out of it. 59:13.540 --> 59:18.380 We will evaluate what feedback we get from you. 59:19.060 --> 59:22.920 And I would like to ask again for your cooperation. 59:24.220 --> 59:29.020 Because it seems to me that we are really at the beginning of an old 59:29.020 --> 59:29.480 discussion. 59:30.580 --> 59:36.240 That this discussion will certainly continue and must continue. 59:36.240 --> 59:40.400 And I hope that it can be an open discussion. 59:41.640 --> 59:43.760 I know that this is sometimes difficult. 59:44.920 --> 59:49.640 And that we don't close the fence with the structures very quickly. 59:51.060 --> 59:53.340 And that the discussion doesn't continue. 59:53.480 --> 59:57.900 Because I think that we have to regulate these things and that it has 59:57.900 --> 59:59.040 to be a dynamic system. 59:59.040 --> 01:00:00.440 And there is a chance. 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:02.600 Especially with modernization. 01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:07.320 Especially with the idea of how to use strategic practices with the 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:07.700 economy. 01:00:07.900 --> 01:00:12.560 And not only with the practicals, but how to think beyond how the 01:00:12.560 --> 01:00:14.960 communication could be improved. 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:20.320 In any case, I would like to thank everyone who took part. 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.660 And Lade in the name of IHK. 01:00:25.900 --> 01:00:29.680 A glass of wine and then we can continue to discuss. 01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:30.260 Thank you very much.